Result
official| Horse | Win | Place | Show |
|---|---|---|---|
| 11Vintage | $31.20 | $12.60 | $6.10 |
| 25Maggie | — | $7.20 | $4.00 |
| 36Shigeko | — | — | $2.70 |
| Pool | Finish | On | Paid |
|---|---|---|---|
| Exacta | 1-5 | — | $127.00 |
| Trifecta | 1-5-6 | — | $187.50 |
| Superfecta | 1-5-6-4 | — | $654.05 |
Maggie——————
Probability
Pace
- Early
- —
- Middle
- —
- Finish
- —
- Post draw
- —
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- —
- Career best · average
- —
- Class, average · last
- —
- Power
- —
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- 25: 3-4-1
- Wins
- 12.0%
- Earnings
- $37,497
- Per start
- $1,499.88
Connections and form
- Jockey
- —
- Trainer
- —
- Weight · days off
- —
Filly
Past performances
No prior starts recorded for Maggie.
Dashing Della——————
Probability
Pace
- Early
- —
- Middle
- —
- Finish
- —
- Post draw
- —
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- —
- Career best · average
- —
- Class, average · last
- —
- Power
- —
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- —
- Trainer
- —
- Weight · days off
- —
Filly
Past performances
No prior starts recorded for Dashing Della.
Maggie——————
Probability
Pace
- Early
- —
- Middle
- —
- Finish
- —
- Post draw
- —
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- —
- Career best · average
- —
- Class, average · last
- —
- Power
- —
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- —
- Trainer
- —
- Weight · days off
- —
Past performances
No prior starts recorded for Maggie.
Dashing Della——————
Probability
Pace
- Early
- —
- Middle
- —
- Finish
- —
- Post draw
- —
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- —
- Career best · average
- —
- Class, average · last
- —
- Power
- —
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- —
- Trainer
- —
- Weight · days off
- —
Filly
Past performances
No prior starts recorded for Dashing Della.
Dashing Della——————
Probability
Pace
- Early
- —
- Middle
- —
- Finish
- —
- Post draw
- —
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- —
- Career best · average
- —
- Class, average · last
- —
- Power
- —
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- $575.17
Connections and form
- Jockey
- —
- Trainer
- —
- Weight · days off
- —
Past performances
No prior starts recorded for Dashing Della.
Maggie——————
Probability
Pace
- Early
- —
- Middle
- —
- Finish
- —
- Post draw
- —
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- —
- Career best · average
- —
- Class, average · last
- —
- Power
- —
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- —
- Trainer
- —
- Weight · days off
- —
Filly
Past performances
No prior starts recorded for Maggie.
Maggie——————
Probability
Pace
- Early
- —
- Middle
- —
- Finish
- —
- Post draw
- —
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- —
- Career best · average
- —
- Class, average · last
- —
- Power
- —
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- $2,258.75
Connections and form
- Jockey
- —
- Trainer
- —
- Weight · days off
- —
Past performances
No prior starts recorded for Maggie.
Maggie——————
Probability
Pace
- Early
- —
- Middle
- —
- Finish
- —
- Post draw
- —
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- —
- Career best · average
- —
- Class, average · last
- —
- Power
- —
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- —
- Trainer
- —
- Weight · days off
- —
Past performances
No prior starts recorded for Maggie.
Joey the Fish——————
Probability
Pace
- Early
- —
- Middle
- —
- Finish
- —
- Post draw
- —
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- —
- Career best · average
- —
- Class, average · last
- —
- Power
- —
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- —
- Trainer
- —
- Weight · days off
- —
Filly
Past performances
No prior starts recorded for Joey the Fish.
Vintage——————
Probability
Pace
- Early
- —
- Middle
- —
- Finish
- —
- Post draw
- —
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- —
- Career best · average
- —
- Class, average · last
- —
- Power
- —
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- —
- Trainer
- —
- Weight · days off
- —
Past performances
No prior starts recorded for Vintage.
Dashing Della——————
Probability
Pace
- Early
- —
- Middle
- —
- Finish
- —
- Post draw
- —
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- —
- Career best · average
- —
- Class, average · last
- —
- Power
- —
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- 24: 5-4-1
- Wins
- 20.8%
- Earnings
- $91,415
- Per start
- $3,808.96
Connections and form
- Jockey
- —
- Trainer
- —
- Weight · days off
- —
Filly
Past performances
No prior starts recorded for Dashing Della.
Our Rosie Diamonds——————
Probability
Pace
- Early
- —
- Middle
- —
- Finish
- —
- Post draw
- —
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- —
- Career best · average
- —
- Class, average · last
- —
- Power
- —
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- $366.25
Connections and form
- Jockey
- —
- Trainer
- —
- Weight · days off
- —
Past performances
No prior starts recorded for Our Rosie Diamonds.
Shigeko——————
Probability
Pace
- Early
- —
- Middle
- —
- Finish
- —
- Post draw
- —
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- —
- Career best · average
- —
- Class, average · last
- —
- Power
- —
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- —
- Trainer
- —
- Weight · days off
- —
Gelding
Past performances
No prior starts recorded for Shigeko.
Shigeko——————
Probability
Pace
- Early
- —
- Middle
- —
- Finish
- —
- Post draw
- —
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- —
- Career best · average
- —
- Class, average · last
- —
- Power
- —
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- 18: 3-3-3
- Wins
- 16.7%
- Earnings
- $50,572
- Per start
- $2,809.56
Connections and form
- Jockey
- —
- Trainer
- —
- Weight · days off
- —
Mare
Past performances
No prior starts recorded for Shigeko.
1Vintage120 lbLDylan Davis52.2786/129/2
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 3.4
- Middle
- 3.8
- Finish
- 4.6
- Post draw
- 17.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 52.2
- Career best · average
- 73.0 · 64.0
- Class, average · last
- 78 · 74
- Power
- 64.6 · 3rd in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Dylan Davis
- Trainer
- Jeffrey Englehart 9/45
- Weight · days off
- 120 · 55d
L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sun 4 Jun | MOUNTAINEER | 7 Furlongs · Turf | Allowance | 6 | 440.0 | Alex Gonzalez | 116 |
| Sat 27 May | LONE STAR | 1 Mile · Dirt | Maiden Special Weight | 1 | 870.0 | — | — |
| Thu 11 May | BELTERRA PARK | 1 Mile · Dirt | Allowance | 2 | 680.0 | Julio Felix | 117 |
| Sat 15 Apr | GOLDEN GATE | 1 Mile · All Weather Track | Claiming | 3 | 710.0 | Alexander Chavez | 123 |
| Fri 24 Mar | GOLDEN GATE | 1 Mile · All Weather Track | Claiming | 4 | 610.0 | Evin Roman | — |
| Thu 23 Mar | OAKLAWN PARK | 1 Mile · Dirt | Maiden Special Weight | 7 | 740.0 | — | — |
| Fri 3 Mar | GOLDEN GATE | 1 Mile · All Weather Track | Allowance Optional Claiming | 5 | 560.0 | Evin Roman | 120 |
| Sat 25 Feb | OAKLAWN PARK | 1 1/16 Miles · Dirt | Maiden Special Weight | 3 | 820.0 | — | — |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
2Prana120 lbLRicardo Santana, Jr.52.2659/28/1
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 5.3
- Middle
- 4.5
- Finish
- 4.1
- Post draw
- 8.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 52.2
- Career best · average
- 65.0 · 50.0
- Class, average · last
- 65 · 76
- Power
- 59.4 · 5th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Ricardo Santana, Jr.
- Trainer
- Jeff Hiles 1/8
- Weight · days off
- 120 · 65d
Filly · L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Fri 16 Jun | BELTERRA PARK | 1 Mile · Dirt | Allowance | — | not run | John McKee | 117 |
| Thu 25 May | CHURCHILL DOWNS | 1 1/16 Miles · Dirt | Claiming | 4 | 690.0 | Colby Hernandez | 120 |
| Fri 28 Apr | KEENELAND | 1 1/16 Miles · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 1 | 650.0 | Colby Hernandez | 118 |
| Fri 13 Jan | TURFWAY PARK | 1 Mile · All Weather Track | Maiden Claiming | 3 | 560.0 | — | — |
| Wed 7 Dec | TURFWAY PARK | 1 Mile · All Weather Track | Maiden Claiming | 4 | 460.0 | Fernando De La Cruz | 119 |
| Thu 10 Nov | CHURCHILL DOWNS | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 7 | 180.0 | Corey Lanerie | 119 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
3Save Grace123 lbLManuel Franco53.2785/128/5
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 4.0
- Middle
- 4.6
- Finish
- 5.3
- Post draw
- 21.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 53.2
- Career best · average
- 72.0 · 64.0
- Class, average · last
- 78 · 68
- Power
- 67.8 · 2nd in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- 10: 1-1-2
- Wins
- 10.0%
- Earnings
- $56,014
- Per start
- $5,601.40
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Manuel Franco
- Trainer
- Michael Maker 9/57
- Weight · days off
- 123 · 42d
Filly · L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sat 17 Jun | BELMONT PARK | 7 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 4 | 500.0 | Manuel Franco | 123 |
| Sun 21 May | BELMONT PARK | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 5 | 560.0 | Manuel Franco | 123 |
| Sat 18 Mar | AQUEDUCT | 1 Mile · Dirt | Starter Allowance | 5 | 660.0 | Manuel Franco | — |
| Mon 27 Feb | PARX RACING | 1 Mile 70 Yards · Dirt | Maiden Special Weight | — | not run | Manuel Franco | 121 |
| Fri 24 Feb | AQUEDUCT | 1 Mile · Dirt | Starter Allowance | 3 | 760.0 | Manuel Franco | — |
| Wed 8 Feb | PARX RACING | 1 Mile · Dirt | Maiden Special Weight | 6 | 25.0 | — | — |
| Tue 24 Jan | PARX RACING | 7 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Special Weight | 8 | 40.0 | — | — |
| Tue 3 Jan | PARX RACING | 6 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Special Weight | 4 | 53.0 | — | — |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
4Joey the Fish118 lbLAmin Castillo51.67230/129/1
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 8.6
- Middle
- 8.5
- Finish
- 5.7
- Post draw
- 15.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 51.6
- Career best · average
- 47.0 · 35.0
- Class, average · last
- 72 · 79
- Power
- 52.6 · 7th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Amin Castillo
- Trainer
- Randi Persaud 1/38
- Weight · days off
- 118 · 13d
Mare · L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sun 16 Jul | SARATOGA | 1 Mile · Dirt | Claiming | 6 | 45.0 | Joey Martinez | 118 |
| Sat 17 Jun | BELMONT PARK | 7 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 5 | 42.0 | Joey Martinez | 120 |
| Fri 19 May | BELMONT PARK | 1 Mile · Dirt | Claiming | 7 | not run | Eric Cancel | 118 |
| Thu 18 May | BELMONT PARK | 1 1/16 Miles · Inner turf | Claiming | — | not run | Eric Cancel | 118 |
| Thu 27 Apr | AQUEDUCT | 7 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 7 | 45.0 | Eric Cancel | — |
| Sun 2 Apr | AQUEDUCT | 7 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 3 | 61.0 | Eric Cancel | — |
| Sun 12 Mar | AQUEDUCT | 1 Mile · Dirt | Starter Optional Claiming | 7 | 47.0 | Eric Cancel | — |
| Sat 25 Feb | LAUREL PARK | 1 1/16 Miles · Dirt | Claiming | — | not run | Angel Cruz | 121 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
5Maggie118 lbLLuis Saez53.3678/115/2
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 3.2
- Middle
- 3.3
- Finish
- 4.2
- Post draw
- 11.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 53.3
- Career best · average
- — · 45.0
- Class, average · last
- 67 · 52
- Power
- 46.0 · 8th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- $3,753.62
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Luis Saez
- Trainer
- John Kirby 2/3
- Weight · days off
- 118 · 13d
L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sun 16 Jul | SARATOGA | 6 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 1 | 65.0 | Luis Saez | 119 |
| Thu 15 Jun | BELMONT PARK | 7 Furlongs · Turf | Maiden Claiming | 7 | 51.0 | Trevor McCarthy | 118 |
| Thu 8 Jun | BELMONT PARK | 7 Furlongs · Turf | Maiden Claiming | — | not run | Trevor McCarthy | 118 |
| Sat 19 Nov | AQUEDUCT | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 2 | 70.0 | — | — |
| Mon 24 Oct | PARX RACING | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Special Weight | 9 | 12.0 | — | — |
| Sun 25 Sep | BELMONT AT THE BIG A | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 3 | 43.0 | Silvestre Gonzalez | 119 |
| Thu 15 Sep | BELMONT AT THE BIG A | 1 1/16 Miles · Turf | Maiden Special Weight | 10 | 51.0 | — | — |
| Mon 1 Aug | PARX RACING | 5 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Maiden Special Weight | 7 | 26.0 | Edwin Rivera | 118 |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
6Shigeko223d off123 lbLJose Ortiz51.1842/118/11
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 8.8
- Middle
- 5.0
- Finish
- 2.5
- Post draw
- 13.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 51.1
- Career best · average
- 67.0 · 76.0
- Class, average · last
- 84 · 79
- Power
- 68.8 · 1st in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- $6,790.31
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Jose Ortiz
- Trainer
- Linda Rice 41/122
- Weight · days off
- 123 · 223d
L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sun 18 Dec | AQUEDUCT | 1 Mile · Dirt | Claiming | 2 | 670.0 | — | — |
| Sat 19 Nov | AQUEDUCT | 6 Furlongs · Outer turf | Allowance | 9 | 790.0 | — | — |
| Sun 19 Jun | BELMONT PARK | 7 Furlongs · Turf | New York Stallion S. | 5 | 820.0 | — | — |
| Sat 18 Dec | AQUEDUCT | 7 Furlongs · Dirt | STAKES | 4 | 650.0 | — | — |
| Sat 30 Oct | BELMONT PARK | 1 Mile · Dirt | MAIDEN SPECIAL WEIGHT | 1 | 430.0 | — | — |
| Fri 8 Oct | BELMONT PARK | 1 1/16 Miles · Inner turf | MAIDEN SPECIAL WEIGHT | 4 | 670.0 | — | — |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
7Our Rosie Diamonds113 lbLJaime Torres54.0744/149/6
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 4.8
- Middle
- 4.5
- Finish
- 4.1
- Post draw
- 33.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 54.0
- Career best · average
- 47.0 · 58.0
- Class, average · last
- 74 · 75
- Power
- 59.3 · 6th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- not reported
- Wins
- —
- Earnings
- not reported
- Per start
- not reported
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Jaime Torres
- Trainer
- Michelle Nevin 0/4
- Weight · days off
- 113 · 69d
L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sat 17 Jun | BELMONT PARK | 7 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | — | not run | Irad Ortiz, Jr. | 120 |
| Sun 21 May | BELMONT PARK | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 4 | 690.0 | Jaime Torres | 115 |
| Sat 29 Apr | AQUEDUCT | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 5 | 610.0 | Manuel Franco | — |
| Sun 23 Apr | AQUEDUCT | 6 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | New York Stallion S. | — | not run | Jose Gomez | — |
| Sun 5 Mar | AQUEDUCT | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 2 | 530.0 | Jose Gomez | — |
| Thu 2 Feb | AQUEDUCT | 6 1/2 Furlongs · Dirt | Starter Optional Claiming | — | not run | Kendrick Carmouche | 120 |
| Thu 26 Jan | AQUEDUCT | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Claiming | 3 | 590.0 | — | — |
| Fri 6 Jan | AQUEDUCT | 6 Furlongs · Dirt | Starter Optional Claiming | 4 | 610.0 | — | — |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
8Dashing Della120 lbLKendrick Carmouche53.1768/113/4
Probability
Pace
- Early
- 3.8
- Middle
- 3.8
- Finish
- 6.0
- Post draw
- 10.0%
Speed and class
- Recent form, last 4
- 53.1
- Career best · average
- 71.0 · 45.0
- Class, average · last
- 76 · 79
- Power
- 64.4 · 4th in field
Recent form and career are different scales and do not compare. Power is an input to the model, not a second opinion.
Career
- Record
- 40: 3-5-6
- Wins
- 7.5%
- Earnings
- $139,124
- Per start
- $3,478.10
Connections and form
- Jockey
- Kendrick Carmouche
- Trainer
- Gustavo Rodriguez 1/7
- Weight · days off
- 120 · 36d
Mare · L
Past performances
| Date | Track | Distance · surface | Class | Finish | Speed | Jockey | Wt |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Fri 23 Jun | BELMONT PARK | 1 Mile · Dirt | Claiming | 6 | 330.0 | Joel Rosario | 120 |
| Mon 29 May | BELMONT PARK | 1 1/16 Miles · Inner turf | Allowance | 10 | 540.0 | Junior Alvarado | 118 |
| Thu 4 May | BELMONT PARK | 1 Mile · Dirt | Starter Allowance | 7 | 620.0 | Dylan Davis | 120 |
| Fri 28 Apr | SUNRAY PARK | 400 Yards · Dirt | Jimmy Drake S. | 1 | 850.0 | — | — |
| Thu 13 Apr | AQUEDUCT | 1 Mile · Dirt | Allowance | 4 | 700.0 | Dylan Davis | — |
| Sun 12 Mar | AQUEDUCT | 1 Mile · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 1 | 730.0 | Dylan Davis | — |
| Sun 12 Feb | AQUEDUCT | 1 Mile · Dirt | Maiden Claiming | 4 | 550.0 | Dylan Davis | — |
| Fri 3 Feb | SUNLAND PARK | 400 Yards · Dirt | Allowance | 10 | 620.0 | — | — |
Speed shades across the range these runs cover. A figure the source did not record reads not run rather than as a zero.
pari-mutuel · odds are indicative until the gate